NLP Lesson with Alice - Dec 12/13

Ranyee: I'll be covering NLP aswell as Anchoring and Priming since these three things mostly go together quite well

Ranyee: starting with NLP because it's pretty much what the other two things build up from

Ranyee: so first of all what even is NLP?

Shen: I know I have no clue

Ranyee: NLP stands for Neuro-Linguistic-Program​ming

Ranyee: so basically programming the brain using your speech

Ranyee: it's a communication technique developed in the late 1970's I believe

Ranyee: but the story behind it is not what you're here for I guess~

Ranyee: anyways as NLP is used in almost all therapies nowadays and that's where I know it from aswell I'll be starting off with the basics

Ranyee: it doesn't necessarily have to do something with hypnosis even thought it can be used in it

Ranyee: so in fact NLP is all about the subjects point of view

Ranyee: one of the "rules" in NLP is that what the subject (or the person you use it on in general) understands is true and not what you said

Ranyee: it's also believed that there are no bad people. that obviously doesn't have anything to do with the hypnosis aspect

Ranyee: but what I mean by that is, that if people do or not do something they believe it's the right thing to do and have a reason to believe so

Ranyee: I'll try bringing up examples related to hypnosis most of the time

Ranyee: but for this one it's easier explained this way:

Ranyee: let's say I'd be mean to damdam

dami: mmm

Ranyee: he'd smack me in the face then he wouldn't be doing this because he's a dick

Ranyee: but because he believes that I deserve to be hit and that it will make me understand not to bully him and that it's the best way to stop me

Ranyee: that's pretty much the bliefs of NLP. there is some other stuff but that's not important for us right now

Ranyee: NLP in this case would really just be pretty basic

Ranyee: you'd walk up to dam telling him hiting me wasn't the best approach and that next time he should just try talking to me at first

Ranyee: if you manage to tell him that without judging or insulting him, congrats you just used NLP

Ranyee: of course it's not always that simple

Suki: what makes that NLP?

Ranyee: NLP in that matter is really just suggesting alternative ways to do and approach things

Ranyee: like I said in that example it's still very very basic

Ranyee: chances are that if damdam doesn't like you a lot he won't give a shit about what you told him and just smack me again next time

Ranyee: so NLP needs a somewhat good relationship between the subject and the person performing NLP to work

Suki: ok

Lix: Oh!

Lix: So let's say, if someone was being bullied.

Lix: Or let's say, someone was being harmed.

Lix: There could be a few outcomes, based on who the person is, and how they operate? E.g. Talking to them to calm the bully down, reasoning with them, complying with them.

Lix: Etc.

Lix: Correct, or no?

Ranyee: Pretty much, yes.

Lix: And NLP does what?

Lix: To that person?

Lix: Defines which they should do most?

Ranyee: NLP is just a communication technique to reach that person better

Ranyee: all it does is asking what are you doing? what is the outcome of this? is this the outcome you desire? if it's not what else can you do?

Ranyee: the more in-depth things will be covered onceI get to Anchoring and Priming

Lix: I sort of understand. You can continue, sorry for the interruption.

Ranyee: Like I said, interrupt me as much as you like.

Ranyee: so in fact NLP is a technique a lot of personal trainers use aswell to motivate people

Ranyee: motivating and manipulating people are actually kinda the same thing

Ranyee: it works a little differently though

Ranyee: it's pretty much just "well if you want A then you'll have to work for it doing B"

Ranyee: so that covers the bare basics of NLP, but it's all that applies to hypnosis so I'll leave the other stuff out

Ranyee: any questions?

Mar: no questions from me so far

Suki: makes sense so far

Ranyee: uhm one more thing about NLP

Ranyee: it's nothing big and it's kinda hard to do via text

Ranyee: but it might come in handy irl

Ranyee: which is mirroring

Ranyee: you may have heard about it before

Ranyee: the person you're talking to is more likely to listen to you if you do the same thing as they do and take the same position

Ranyee: so like if they have their legs crossed you have too

Suki: I've found it also helps to establish how your personalities and opinions on things are similar as well

Ranyee: exactly

Lix: So, if you see yourself in someone, you'll trust them more

Lix: Correct?

Ranyee: You trust and like them more, which is why you're more likely to do what they want from you, yes.

Ranyee: which is where we get to priming

Ranyee: where it gets a lot more interesting for most of you as priming has a lot more to do with hypnosis

Ranyee: so the basics of priming are pretty simple

Ranyee: what you're trying to do is getting the subject to associate an action a sound or something with an emotion

Ranyee: or a feeling

Suki: "triggers"

Ranyee: yeah somewhat

Lix: I'd say triggers are more

Lix: Short term

Lix: Whereas this is more.. long term but less effective.

Lix: Would I be correct in saying that or no?

Lix: Like a burst compared to overtime.

Ranyee: summs it up very well

Lix: I see I see

Ranyee: it works like a little trigger, getting people to feel a bit more relaxed when you touch their elbow or something like that

Ranyee: it takes longer to be effective than a trigger

Ranyee: but it works without hypnotizing people

Ranyee: and if the person you use it on is not familiar with it chances are they won't even notice

Ranyee: and it's basically easy to do

Lix: Sorry for so much of this.

Lix: but let's say your boss is happy.

Lix: And you want a raise.

Lix: For the last 10 months, every time he was happy, you touched his shoulder.

Lix: He is depressed today, so you tap him on the shoulder

Lix: and ask him for a raise.

Lix: He gives you it, and for the rest of the day, he seems happier.

Ranyee: haha that was exactly the example I was about to bring up

Lix: ahaha! Wonderful <3 I've heard it before is all

Ranyee: that's exactly how it works

Ranyee: just that it's not THAT strong

Lix: Oh yeah, of course.

Ranyee: you can of course use it in chat aswell

Ranyee: it just works differently

Ranyee: there's actually a lot of ways to use it here

Lix: Like Kitsuki's /me Hugs.

Ranyee: I love how you took exactly that example

Ranyee: but let me take a different one because I don't think everyone get what you mean

Ranyee: so lets say you already have a subject under

Ranyee: what you can do is either

Ranyee: A use some /me emote or some phrase before the commands you give

Ranyee: or B use some smily face behind your commands

Ranyee: or something like that

Ranyee: and the subject will automatically start associating these smileys or /me emotes with your commands and will be MUCH more likely to do what you ask of them outside of trance if you just do the same thing

Lix: Ah!

Lix: That is cool to know :3

Suki: what's so special about Kitsuki's hugs? O.o

Lix: Well, everytime they feel happy

Lix: Kitsuki says /me Hugs.

Lix: Therefore

Lix: When they're sad

Lix: The first thing they do

Lix: Is do /me Hugs.

Lix: It has never really worked on me

Lix: Since I picked up on it from the first day

Lix: And either ignored it, or just gave kitsuki what he wanted

Ranyee: it works the same way as irl

Ranyee: just via text

Ranyee: of course you can just do the same thing as irl in chat with /me commands

Ranyee: only that /me touches your elbow would seem kinda fucking weird

Lix: Yeah of course x'D

Ranyee: so /me hugs is a good example since nobody would get suspicious

Ranyee: priming is a very manipulative technique though

Lix: Mhm.

Suki: apparently hugs are very suspicious

Shen: I didnt think so

Shen: until now

Shen has my eye on you

Ranyee: btw guys I have a fun story on this

Lix: alright! Story time

Ranyee: I have a ring

Ranyee: and back when I had a girlfriend I would always take this ring off before fingering her

Lix: oooh

Suki: :3

Ranyee: so after a while she would instantly get wet when I took off my ring

Lix: Ohoh!

Ranyee: it was hilarious, I didn't even intend to do that though

Lix: nice one ;3

Ranyee: after I noticed I was like "duh, obvious" but I didn't think about it at all

Suki gets a little wet

Shen: a pavlovian ring

Shen: (like the bell)

Shen: (pavlov rung a bell before feeding his dogs food so that they would drool at the ring of a bell)

Shen: (tell me I'm clever)

Ranyee: you're very clever shen

Shen:

Ranyee: but ye thats pretty much how it works

Ranyee: you even use it on dogs

Lix: Ahaha <3

Ranyee: I mean if they don't behave you spray them with water

Lix: It's so cool to think it's in every day of our lives.

Lix: Conditioning is great!

Ranyee: so they associate this bad behavior with a bad feeling

Ranyee: any more questions?

Lix: I don't think so :3

Mar: I just felt that I should point out that if someone has a negative reaction to something you're doing in trance, you should never touch them until you've brought them out of it

Mar: because it's much easier for them to learn to associate that negative feeling with your touch than it normally would be

Lix: Oh!

Lix: That is good to think of :3

Lix: I never thought of that C:

Ranyee: oh btw one more thing about priming

Ranyee: It works passively too

Lix: Yeah?

Ranyee: like if EVERYONE told you how wet they got when someone took of his/her ring it'd happen to you aswell

Ranyee: silly example but you get my point I guess

dami: thinking primming it with few sentence put the person in the good mindset

Suki: maybe that's why I get wet from that story...

Cel: sometimes even thinking about how something might affect you can have a noticeable effect as well

Suki is very easy to prime

Ranyee: what Cel said

Ranyee: btw guys I just realised I can't tell you a whole lot about anchors

Lix: Why not? o.o

Ranyee: anchors are basically priming people to associate things with trancing

Ranyee: so for most people it's spirals

Suki: why's that?

Lix: Oh.

Ranyee: for me it's also eyes

Ranyee: a certain sentence maybe

Ranyee: anchoring is pretty similar to triggers aswell

Lix: but yeah. I don't mind you teaching us about that.

Lix: I'm awake as fuck right now :3

Lix: but i could be a demonstration if you'd like .-.

Ranyee: haha I'm glad you remind me of it

Ranyee: because it doesn't work like that

Ranyee: NLP aswell as priming work on you even if you are aware of it

Ranyee: I mean it works less well

Ranyee: but it still works

Ranyee: irl atleast

Ranyee: via chat you could argue about it

Ranyee: it's nothing you can demonstrate because nlp and priming are things you do while in a conversation

Ranyee: in fact I could be priming you right now

Suki: people should understand that manipulation is in everything, people do it without realizing sometimes even

Ranyee: so yeah

Ranyee: that's pretty much it

Suki: it's not that we should be afraid of being manipulated, but the intentions behind them

Suki: at least that's how I feel >​_>​

Ranyee: Questions, Feedback, insults?

Suki: that was my feedback

Cel: though my main bugbear with NLP is the reliance of anchoring to physical things, some people dislike being touched out of the blue, and you could just as easily anchor it to something you say

Shen: Thanks for the lesson Ranyee, I appreciate your time and effort

Lix: ^ Yes, thank you ranyee C:

Mar: yes, thank you

Cel: It was a very good lecture

Suki: it was interesting