Post by Daniel on Sept 19, 2015 23:29:34 GMT
Fycho: So, well, I dunno where to really start
Mariam: well, do you usually do anything before the induction?
Fycho: Get to know the person a bit, how long have they done hypnosis, what would they want to do, where are their limits etc
Fycho: Reassure that the plan for the session is okay with the subject
Mariam: sounds like a good start
Fycho: For newer tists it's very important to know their own limits aswell, I'm not a therapist and I have never done any form of schooling, but I have tried around with hypnosis since I was 11, so experience makes up for it
Fycho: But if you are newer and do something you have not done before, ask whether or not it's okay for the sub, etc, as Mariam likes to preach, always get consent
Mariam:
Fycho: So, then for the induction
Fycho: It always depends what you use, text, voice, video, or any mix of the three
Fycho: Or face to face, which is even better
Fycho: For text you can use the subject's imagination to induce a trance, telling them to relax, maybe connecting it to a repeated cycle, like for example breathing or blinking
Fycho: Don't use imagery when inducing into the trance as the subject has to read along and picture at the same time, hope that makes some form of sense
Fycho: If you have a super experienced subject, you can get away with it
Lix: Yeah trying to think of two things at once can be quite difficult through text
Mariam nods.
Fycho: Yep, linking multiple cycles is not recommended aswell
Fycho: Like blinking and breathing, because focusing on both cycles makes it very difficult to apply the wished effect by imagination
Mariam: linking breathing to blinking, for example?
Mariam nods,
Fycho: Not that, but saying, everytime you blink you will automatically relax 10 times deeper
Fycho: And when you breathe in, you will relax 10 times deeper and when you breathe out, all stress and tension from your previous day will leave your body
Fycho: ^ Just an example, not a real induction text
Mariam nods.
Fycho: What I personally like to do istrigger deepening
Fycho: Once the subject reaches a certain point of depth
Fycho: You just go ahead and say
Fycho: Try linking this in your head: Each time you read the word "deeper" or "deep", you will just insantly relax 10 times deeper
Fycho: Something like this
Fycho: And then you just go ahead and build the words into your inductive text
Fycho: Deeper and deeper as you breathe in ... and out
Fycho: Etc
Fycho: Some subjects don't like this type of induction too much, if they don't that's fine, you can just go with a standard one then
Fycho: Instant inductions over text are hard to pull off and require either an experienced subject, or a subject that's easy to hypnotize
Fycho: Or a ton of experience from your side
Lix: Like a question that makes them instantly go under without effort?
Fycho: It requires a lot of preparation
Fycho: Like magnetic hands or so over text is had
Fycho: hard*
Fycho: But it can be pulled pff
Fycho: Dangit, my typing is bad today
Mariam: but if it works, they can't tell you that it worked because their hands are stuck together
Lix: Nw
Lix: Hahah true that mariam
Fycho: Yep
Fycho: That's what I meant with hard to pull off
Fycho: Because you have to be 100% sure that it works
Lix: So like... ''You haven't realized that your body has been sloping downwards while taking to me?''
Fycho: Say, you could link it that way, when the hands touch the subject will sink into a deep trance, the magnetic effect will wear off after a couple of seconds and the sub will type "Deeply hypnotized"
Fycho: That's not an instant induction
Fycho: That could be built into a normal one
Lix: Ah. okay.
Fycho: So, then
Fycho: Deepening is self explanatory I hope, any questions there?
Mariam: are there some subs you can't put under?
Fycho: With some it's not possible over text
Fycho: Others are Psychopaths
Fycho: Over text it's usually very hard
Fycho: That's why you only do stuff over text that you or the sub have tested
Fycho: Sometimes they will tell you
Mariam: is there a way to tell if you won't be able to put a sub under without doing a full induction?
Fycho: If the thing you are doing is new to you, ask them to tell you if/when anything unexpected happens
Fycho: Hmm
Fycho: Not over text
Fycho: Maybe halfway
Mariam nods.
Fycho: Or at the start if nothing works
Fycho: So, another note
Fycho: When using voice, you should find images that bind to the effect
Fycho: You want to get from them
Fycho: Like say, if something should draw the subject in and enclose them, use a black hole
Fycho: Quite handy image for slave hypnosis
Fycho: If that's what the sub wants
Fycho: For mind blanking, you can use a dark room with a dim light that's slowly pulsing
Fycho: Preferrably in a warm color like deep red or reddish purple
Fycho: I like to use these images myself
Fycho: What else should we cover?
Lix: How to program triggers successfully maybe?
Fycho: Oh yeah, lol
Fycho: It always depends on the trigger
Fycho: If its a generic trigger everyone can use, you go with a name more complex than 1 word
Fycho: Also, you have to see where it should be able to be used
Fycho: Text, voice or cam
Fycho: Or like a visual trigger in general
Fycho: Visual triggers are not good for generic triggers for open use because they can happen accidentally
Fycho: Text is best there, Voice works aswell
Fycho: For personal or restricted triggers only a small group of selected people or you yourself can use, you can use all of them
Fycho: Lix, you want an example for a trigger?
Lix: Ehm sure
Fycho: Tell me something I should link
Lix: Hmm. Let's say the feeling of being touched or felt up
Fycho: Shouldn't be triggered as it can be induced by simply suggesting it normally
Fycho: But well
Fycho: You can go for a trigger like "100 Hands"
Lix: Ah. i see
Fycho: Whenever you read the words "100 Hands", you will feel as if 100 Hands were feeling up every part of your body, stroking along every inch of it
Fycho: Define whether or not it works in and out of trance
Fycho: Like only in or only out, or both
Fycho: Define the people that can use it
Fycho: If only you can use it type "Whenever you see me and only me type the words "100 Hands" ..."
Fycho: Hmm
Fycho: That example was okay I hope
Lix: Yeah it was fine
Mariam: what sorts of things do you do with subs? more ideas are always welcome
Fycho: I dunno, did I forget about anything
Fycho: I usually do what they request
Fycho: Erotic hypnosis, brainwash, slave hypnosis are my favourites
Mariam nods.
Mariam:
Kraent: mee too, loves me some brainwashing.
Mariam: any particular tips on those?
Fycho: Well
Fycho: For brainwashing and slave hypnosis
Fycho: Which are very very close together
Fycho: You should start by clearing out thoughts
Fycho: Potential inhibitions
Fycho: Etc
Fycho: So you have a clean workspace
Fycho: Then you can start with changes in every desired direction
Fycho: Erotic hypnosis is basically find out what the subject loves and bombard it with pleasure
Fycho: You can do it over triggers
Fycho: Over self triggering
Fycho: For example, if you do it with a slave, you can tie it to the word sir or master
Fycho: Whenever they type it, it fills them with a wave of pleasure making them 10 times hornier
Fycho: etc
Fycho: Or do a visual fantasy
Fycho: Brainwashing is a lot easier over voice than text
Fycho: Because imagery is more or less essential for the optimal effect
Mariam nods.
Mariam: have you ever used this stuff in a long-term relationship?
Fycho: I have had a girlfriend for 4 years
Fycho: It was a long distance relationship, 580 miles
Fycho: We did erotic hypnosis there, no brainwashing or slave stuff
Mariam nods.
Reiton: sounds interesting
Mariam: sorry, I don't mean to be asking all the questions
Doll: it that wat daddy does
Mariam: anyone else have any?
Fycho: We're still best friends and as she is single we still occasionally do it
Doll: sorry
Fycho: It's fine ^^
Fycho: And if you consider a person your daddy it probably is some from or brainwash involved, yes Doll
Mariam:
Fycho: Well
Mariam: so I guess that's all the questions from everybody?
Sophi: i dont like asking questions really, only answering them : D
Fycho: If you have any, please ask
Fycho: You only learn by never stopping to ask, research and question
Fycho: Question falls our of the spectrum for slaves tho
Sophi: true but i was never good at research
Mariam:
Lix: Well you've put me on the spotlight so now i can't think of anything x'D
Fycho: Then ask
Mariam:
Lix: I would if I could think of something ;w;
Lix: I'm just drawing blanks :/
Mariam: well, I guess we can leave off here
Lix: Yeah c:
Mariam: thank you for that, Fycho
Lix: That was interesting to learn about, thank you very much Fycho c:
Fycho: You're welcome
Kyra: THank you very much Fycho for this lesson
Fycho: If there is anything else I can explain another time, I would be up for it ^^
Fycho: Just tell me what it is
Lix: Alrighty ^-^
Reiton: Actually Fycho, I do have a question for you, if you don't mind
Fycho: Sure, go ahead ^^
Reiton: There's this friend of mine who wants to be hypnotized, but she seems to have trouble focusing, she tells me that she keeps thinking of other things when we;re doing the indcution
Reiton: And she always cuts it off
Mariam: that applies to me too
Fycho: Try to ask her if all the distractions are removed from the field
Fycho: Bright light, music, noise
Reiton: I have done
Reiton: We do it over video you see
Reiton: It's just random thoughts that pop into hear mind it seems
Reiton: her*
Fycho: Hmm
Fycho: Does she have ADHD?
Lix: ANother reason^
Fycho: That might be a slight problem
Mariam: I do...
Fycho: That doesn't make you unhypnotizeable
Lix: yeah^ x'D
Fycho: Just a whole ton harder to pull off
Reiton: hmm
Reiton: I dunno if she does for sure
Reiton: But she has told me that she's always had trouble focusing, even in class
Fycho: Yeah
Lix: Possibly ADHD.
Fycho: That might be a sign for ADHD
Lix: I have the same problem
Reiton: I see
Fycho: So, really try to get the circumstances as good as possible
Mariam: but you can be hypnotized with ADHD?
Lix: I have a lot of symptoms of ADHD but my doctor says I don't have it.
Fycho: try it when she is tired
Fycho: I don't have ADHD
Lix: YEah of course mariam hah
Lix: haha*
Fycho: But I have the problem aswell
Fycho: I have trouble keeping my mind entertained anyways
Reiton: We did try it when she was tired once
Reiton: But it wasn't successful
Lix: It probably just made her focus even less
Lix: It actually works for me more when I'm awake
Reiton: Perhaps
Mariam: being sleepy has helped with me
Lix: Because honestly when I get tired i start to lose track of things around me.
Fycho: Yep
Mariam: right after I wake up
Mariam: maybe that's the key
Lix: After I wake up
Lix: yeah that's a good time
Reiton: Well, different people have different reactions to different things
Mariam: because my mind wanders when I'm about to fall asleep, but right after I wake up, it's easier to focus on one thing
Reiton: I see
Reiton: What would you all recommend though?
Lix: I'd recommend after waking up, or instantly after being woken up
Lix: But yeah mariam brings up a good point
Fycho: I would not have a tist hypnotize me after waking up
Fycho: But thats because I hate everyone and everything
Reiton: hmm
Fycho: after waking up
Mariam:
Mariam: yes, I get that too
Lix: Hahaha understandable
Lix: But i'm not THAT grouchy i'm just like : ''i can't be bothered to do anything rn''
Mariam: well, do you usually do anything before the induction?
Fycho: Get to know the person a bit, how long have they done hypnosis, what would they want to do, where are their limits etc
Fycho: Reassure that the plan for the session is okay with the subject
Mariam: sounds like a good start
Fycho: For newer tists it's very important to know their own limits aswell, I'm not a therapist and I have never done any form of schooling, but I have tried around with hypnosis since I was 11, so experience makes up for it
Fycho: But if you are newer and do something you have not done before, ask whether or not it's okay for the sub, etc, as Mariam likes to preach, always get consent
Mariam:
Fycho: So, then for the induction
Fycho: It always depends what you use, text, voice, video, or any mix of the three
Fycho: Or face to face, which is even better
Fycho: For text you can use the subject's imagination to induce a trance, telling them to relax, maybe connecting it to a repeated cycle, like for example breathing or blinking
Fycho: Don't use imagery when inducing into the trance as the subject has to read along and picture at the same time, hope that makes some form of sense
Fycho: If you have a super experienced subject, you can get away with it
Lix: Yeah trying to think of two things at once can be quite difficult through text
Mariam nods.
Fycho: Yep, linking multiple cycles is not recommended aswell
Fycho: Like blinking and breathing, because focusing on both cycles makes it very difficult to apply the wished effect by imagination
Mariam: linking breathing to blinking, for example?
Mariam nods,
Fycho: Not that, but saying, everytime you blink you will automatically relax 10 times deeper
Fycho: And when you breathe in, you will relax 10 times deeper and when you breathe out, all stress and tension from your previous day will leave your body
Fycho: ^ Just an example, not a real induction text
Mariam nods.
Fycho: What I personally like to do istrigger deepening
Fycho: Once the subject reaches a certain point of depth
Fycho: You just go ahead and say
Fycho: Try linking this in your head: Each time you read the word "deeper" or "deep", you will just insantly relax 10 times deeper
Fycho: Something like this
Fycho: And then you just go ahead and build the words into your inductive text
Fycho: Deeper and deeper as you breathe in ... and out
Fycho: Etc
Fycho: Some subjects don't like this type of induction too much, if they don't that's fine, you can just go with a standard one then
Fycho: Instant inductions over text are hard to pull off and require either an experienced subject, or a subject that's easy to hypnotize
Fycho: Or a ton of experience from your side
Lix: Like a question that makes them instantly go under without effort?
Fycho: It requires a lot of preparation
Fycho: Like magnetic hands or so over text is had
Fycho: hard*
Fycho: But it can be pulled pff
Fycho: Dangit, my typing is bad today
Mariam: but if it works, they can't tell you that it worked because their hands are stuck together
Lix: Nw
Lix: Hahah true that mariam
Fycho: Yep
Fycho: That's what I meant with hard to pull off
Fycho: Because you have to be 100% sure that it works
Lix: So like... ''You haven't realized that your body has been sloping downwards while taking to me?''
Fycho: Say, you could link it that way, when the hands touch the subject will sink into a deep trance, the magnetic effect will wear off after a couple of seconds and the sub will type "Deeply hypnotized"
Fycho: That's not an instant induction
Fycho: That could be built into a normal one
Lix: Ah. okay.
Fycho: So, then
Fycho: Deepening is self explanatory I hope, any questions there?
Mariam: are there some subs you can't put under?
Fycho: With some it's not possible over text
Fycho: Others are Psychopaths
Fycho: Over text it's usually very hard
Fycho: That's why you only do stuff over text that you or the sub have tested
Fycho: Sometimes they will tell you
Mariam: is there a way to tell if you won't be able to put a sub under without doing a full induction?
Fycho: If the thing you are doing is new to you, ask them to tell you if/when anything unexpected happens
Fycho: Hmm
Fycho: Not over text
Fycho: Maybe halfway
Mariam nods.
Fycho: Or at the start if nothing works
Fycho: So, another note
Fycho: When using voice, you should find images that bind to the effect
Fycho: You want to get from them
Fycho: Like say, if something should draw the subject in and enclose them, use a black hole
Fycho: Quite handy image for slave hypnosis
Fycho: If that's what the sub wants
Fycho: For mind blanking, you can use a dark room with a dim light that's slowly pulsing
Fycho: Preferrably in a warm color like deep red or reddish purple
Fycho: I like to use these images myself
Fycho: What else should we cover?
Lix: How to program triggers successfully maybe?
Fycho: Oh yeah, lol
Fycho: It always depends on the trigger
Fycho: If its a generic trigger everyone can use, you go with a name more complex than 1 word
Fycho: Also, you have to see where it should be able to be used
Fycho: Text, voice or cam
Fycho: Or like a visual trigger in general
Fycho: Visual triggers are not good for generic triggers for open use because they can happen accidentally
Fycho: Text is best there, Voice works aswell
Fycho: For personal or restricted triggers only a small group of selected people or you yourself can use, you can use all of them
Fycho: Lix, you want an example for a trigger?
Lix: Ehm sure
Fycho: Tell me something I should link
Lix: Hmm. Let's say the feeling of being touched or felt up
Fycho: Shouldn't be triggered as it can be induced by simply suggesting it normally
Fycho: But well
Fycho: You can go for a trigger like "100 Hands"
Lix: Ah. i see
Fycho: Whenever you read the words "100 Hands", you will feel as if 100 Hands were feeling up every part of your body, stroking along every inch of it
Fycho: Define whether or not it works in and out of trance
Fycho: Like only in or only out, or both
Fycho: Define the people that can use it
Fycho: If only you can use it type "Whenever you see me and only me type the words "100 Hands" ..."
Fycho: Hmm
Fycho: That example was okay I hope
Lix: Yeah it was fine
Mariam: what sorts of things do you do with subs? more ideas are always welcome
Fycho: I dunno, did I forget about anything
Fycho: I usually do what they request
Fycho: Erotic hypnosis, brainwash, slave hypnosis are my favourites
Mariam nods.
Mariam:
Kraent: mee too, loves me some brainwashing.
Mariam: any particular tips on those?
Fycho: Well
Fycho: For brainwashing and slave hypnosis
Fycho: Which are very very close together
Fycho: You should start by clearing out thoughts
Fycho: Potential inhibitions
Fycho: Etc
Fycho: So you have a clean workspace
Fycho: Then you can start with changes in every desired direction
Fycho: Erotic hypnosis is basically find out what the subject loves and bombard it with pleasure
Fycho: You can do it over triggers
Fycho: Over self triggering
Fycho: For example, if you do it with a slave, you can tie it to the word sir or master
Fycho: Whenever they type it, it fills them with a wave of pleasure making them 10 times hornier
Fycho: etc
Fycho: Or do a visual fantasy
Fycho: Brainwashing is a lot easier over voice than text
Fycho: Because imagery is more or less essential for the optimal effect
Mariam nods.
Mariam: have you ever used this stuff in a long-term relationship?
Fycho: I have had a girlfriend for 4 years
Fycho: It was a long distance relationship, 580 miles
Fycho: We did erotic hypnosis there, no brainwashing or slave stuff
Mariam nods.
Reiton: sounds interesting
Mariam: sorry, I don't mean to be asking all the questions
Doll: it that wat daddy does
Mariam: anyone else have any?
Fycho: We're still best friends and as she is single we still occasionally do it
Doll: sorry
Fycho: It's fine ^^
Fycho: And if you consider a person your daddy it probably is some from or brainwash involved, yes Doll
Mariam:
Fycho: Well
Mariam: so I guess that's all the questions from everybody?
Sophi: i dont like asking questions really, only answering them : D
Fycho: If you have any, please ask
Fycho: You only learn by never stopping to ask, research and question
Fycho: Question falls our of the spectrum for slaves tho
Sophi: true but i was never good at research
Mariam:
Lix: Well you've put me on the spotlight so now i can't think of anything x'D
Fycho: Then ask
Mariam:
Lix: I would if I could think of something ;w;
Lix: I'm just drawing blanks :/
Mariam: well, I guess we can leave off here
Lix: Yeah c:
Mariam: thank you for that, Fycho
Lix: That was interesting to learn about, thank you very much Fycho c:
Fycho: You're welcome
Kyra: THank you very much Fycho for this lesson
Fycho: If there is anything else I can explain another time, I would be up for it ^^
Fycho: Just tell me what it is
Lix: Alrighty ^-^
Reiton: Actually Fycho, I do have a question for you, if you don't mind
Fycho: Sure, go ahead ^^
Reiton: There's this friend of mine who wants to be hypnotized, but she seems to have trouble focusing, she tells me that she keeps thinking of other things when we;re doing the indcution
Reiton: And she always cuts it off
Mariam: that applies to me too
Fycho: Try to ask her if all the distractions are removed from the field
Fycho: Bright light, music, noise
Reiton: I have done
Reiton: We do it over video you see
Reiton: It's just random thoughts that pop into hear mind it seems
Reiton: her*
Fycho: Hmm
Fycho: Does she have ADHD?
Lix: ANother reason^
Fycho: That might be a slight problem
Mariam: I do...
Fycho: That doesn't make you unhypnotizeable
Lix: yeah^ x'D
Fycho: Just a whole ton harder to pull off
Reiton: hmm
Reiton: I dunno if she does for sure
Reiton: But she has told me that she's always had trouble focusing, even in class
Fycho: Yeah
Lix: Possibly ADHD.
Fycho: That might be a sign for ADHD
Lix: I have the same problem
Reiton: I see
Fycho: So, really try to get the circumstances as good as possible
Mariam: but you can be hypnotized with ADHD?
Lix: I have a lot of symptoms of ADHD but my doctor says I don't have it.
Fycho: try it when she is tired
Fycho: I don't have ADHD
Lix: YEah of course mariam hah
Lix: haha*
Fycho: But I have the problem aswell
Fycho: I have trouble keeping my mind entertained anyways
Reiton: We did try it when she was tired once
Reiton: But it wasn't successful
Lix: It probably just made her focus even less
Lix: It actually works for me more when I'm awake
Reiton: Perhaps
Mariam: being sleepy has helped with me
Lix: Because honestly when I get tired i start to lose track of things around me.
Fycho: Yep
Mariam: right after I wake up
Mariam: maybe that's the key
Lix: After I wake up
Lix: yeah that's a good time
Reiton: Well, different people have different reactions to different things
Mariam: because my mind wanders when I'm about to fall asleep, but right after I wake up, it's easier to focus on one thing
Reiton: I see
Reiton: What would you all recommend though?
Lix: I'd recommend after waking up, or instantly after being woken up
Lix: But yeah mariam brings up a good point
Fycho: I would not have a tist hypnotize me after waking up
Fycho: But thats because I hate everyone and everything
Reiton: hmm
Fycho: after waking up
Mariam:
Mariam: yes, I get that too
Lix: Hahaha understandable
Lix: But i'm not THAT grouchy i'm just like : ''i can't be bothered to do anything rn''